Joe Rogan and the Catholic Church

Joe Rogan is usually amazing at finding common ground with those he interviews. He’s not into identity politics and his positions are independent of the mainstream media, which is awesome. However, when Catholicism comes up, all balance, moderation, and kindness are out the window.

When it comes to the Catholic Church, Joe Rogan is back in the MMA ring, pounding the heck out of the nuns who taught him in first grade.

Joe hasn't yet invited a serious Catholic apologist onto his show. So here we provide a list of his quotes with short responses.

Is the Catholic Church a Cult

Catholicism has like a billion people… it’s a cult.

There are several definitions of cult. Here are a couple:

  1. A system of belief where large groups of people practice together (i.e.., CULT-ure)
  2. A sect that follows a charismatic leader whose entire purpose is to suck the life out the its followers. (A small group)

Mr. Rogan is trying to mix the two. However, in the show where he presented that position, the secular psychologist Bret Weinstein, torpedoed it by pointing out that if a culture successfully perseveres for centuries under a particular system of belief, it's not a cult, because cults cannot compete against a better (more sensible) system over time.

What's with the white robes etc.?

Whenever you have a guy that dresses like a wizard and is sitting on a golden throne, that is why this is a problem

Priests were dressing like that long before wizards were depicted wearing long robes. Wizards are depicted like that to mimic religion rather than the other way around. The Levites in the Old Testament distinguished themselves in the way they dressed, this is the origins of the priesthood.

Here is a written inventory of articles used by Christians in Certa from 303 AD, before the "legalization" of Christianity by Constantine.

Apart from the Scriptures that were always used, the inventory is as follows:

  • 2 golden chalices
  • 6 silver chalices
  • 6 silver dishes
  • a silver bowl
  • 7 silver lamps
  • 2 torches
  • 7 short bronze candlesticks with their lamps
  • 11 bronze lamps with their chains (i.e., used for incense)
  • 82 women's tunics
  • 38 veils
  • 16 men's tunics
  • 13 pairs of men's slippers
  • 47 pairs of women's slippers
  • 18 pairs of men's wooden shoes

(Gregory Dix, the Shape of the Liturgy, Pg. 24)

Quite a ceremony! Noah made a burnt offering and the "odour pleased the Lord." (Gen 8:21) The Law had a ton of ceremony and vestments in it. Jesus taught in temples all the time and He called it "my Father's house" (Lk 2:49, Jn 2:16). Even in Heaven "The twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense." (Rev 5:8). Large parts of the Book of Revelation give us a description of the Mass.

We have an separate article covering the hot button issues around the pope.

The Joe Rogan comedy routine

In a CULT its started by a guy. Its bullsh*t and he knows its bullsh*t, in a Religion that guy is dead.

That line from Joe Rogan's comedy routine may seem mildly funny at 1 a.m. in a comedy club full of heavily liquored secularists, but it doesn't get to first base in a serious discussion. 

If Jesus knew it was "BS" why did he die for it? Why did everybody who hung around him for 3 years seeing all the miracles die for it, penniless? People who BS others do it for money or power. Jesus gave up all that. We suggest the beginner 101 C.S Lewis apologetic that Jesus is either (1) lunatic, (2) liar, or (3) Lord. Psychologists have studied the life of Jesus from all angles and there is no credible theory that he was either of the first two. Most people know that intuitively.

Did moses have a DMT trip to write the 10 commandments

Do you know what scholars in Jerusalem think about Moses coming down from the mountain. They think the burning bush is acacia wood which is rich in DMT. They think the metaphor of the burning bush was a psychedelic experience, where he tapped into universal principles about peace, love, positive thinking etc.

One of Joe's talking points is that people can get a religious experience through DMT, a "God drug". He claims that is where he got his feelings of oneness, peace, positive energy, etc. He displays none of those qualities when he talks about Catholicism.

Regarding Moses, and the drug. It appears there is only one Israeli professor called Benny Shannon, with this hypothesis. It's full of holes and even Shannon calls it "speculative".

Moses had many experiences of the Lord talking to him where there was no burning bush. Moses did not come back with universal principles for all of humanity. It was for the Jewish people, and it set them apart. So the experience doesn't match Mr. Rogan's proposal of universality of these truths, discoverable by drugs. It was Christianity that took those commandments and presented them to the world, and none of them were near the burning bush.

Catholic school 46 years ago had nasty teachers

I [Rogan] grew up in Catholicism ... To be with these people for 9 months. My parents were splitting up at the time, so it was very confusing, I wanted things to have order ... I wanted God to make sense. I remember annoying people with ... God wants this God says that. I was six years old. Because I was a little kid dealing with my parents splitting up and there didn’t seem to be any order in the world and I was very nervous. So finally, l was happy because I was gonna go to Catholic school. But then as I experienced it, at six I said this is ridiculous, it doesn’t make any sense.  First of all these people are so mean and nasty, they are not comforting and loving. And when I compared them with the way my grandmother was or my mother was, I felt these ladies are nasty. They represent God? This is crazy!"

Joe Rogan had 9 months of Catholic School at 6 years old when his parents were going through a divorce. That is the extent of his direct exposure to anything Catholic. The next year he had moved to San Francisco and was in public school. His parents didn't go to Mass.

Joe went to a Catholic school 46 years ago and he is filtering his world view through handful of mean teachers who never hit him once. We have an article on the 1960's Punishing God. Things were definately harsher then.

Joe, we're sorry that your parents broke up when you were 6 and that some unsympathetic teachers weren't there to pick up the pieces, but its time to admit the devastation you suffered from the divorce and not transfer that anger and pain over to the Church ... really!

Is the Catholic Church is full of kid f*ers

Interview with Gavin McInness:

Gavin: “I quit booze for Lent. I didn’t have drinks on Thursday…”
Joe: “Are you Catholic?”
Gavin: “I just became Catholic. I…”
Joe: “What?” Gavin: “I grew up atheist” Joe: “How old are you?”
Gavin: “Forty-Five.”
Joe: “What the f***’s wrong with you? Why are you becoming Catholic now?”
Gavin: “I had kids. I realized there’s something else going on. That’s why I want…”
Joe: “There’s something else going on? What? A cult of child kid f***ers?”

Note: Here, Joe is doing a classic Gish Gallop.

We have an in depth article on the priest abuse cases. In order to treat the severity of the issue, it requires context. We'll just say a few things here.

  • There is no data from independent parties indicating that the priesthood had any greater rates of abuse than other professions. It's still unacceptable, but he'd have to go after coaches, employers, teachers, cub leaders, etc... and call for all those professions to be banished to be consistent.
  • 80% of the victims were post pubescent teenage boys pointing to a slightly different problem than the popular narrative, which is inconvenient for the mainstream media who'd like to appease the gay lobby and lower the age of consent.
  • When I (Hugh) was a teenager, a popular TV/media personality in his 40s hit on me after I played music on a show he was hosting. I refused the offer but was devastated that it was not my talent he was interested in. Mr. Rogan's logic would be that I assume every media personality (and popular podcaster) is a diddler. I don't think that is very fair.

Comparing the Resurrection to zombies

The majority of Americans also believe in a Jewish zombie, Twitter, September 2, 2010

The Resurrection predates any historical reference to "zombies", which originated in 17th century Haiti (1,600 years after Jesus rose from the dead). There is a good movie called The Case for Christ. It's a true story of an atheist investigative reporter who set out to disprove the Resurrection, and ended up converting to Christianity. There is more proof that Jesus rose from the dead than there is for Julius Caesar's existence. Mr. Rogan doesn't believe in miracles. Many of us have seen God at work in the lives of those who trust him. How much more would he do when he was walking on earth among us. The early Christians died for the faith rather than renounce it.

Do Christians believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old?

The majority of Americans also believe ... that the earth is less than 10,000 years old, Twitter, September 2, 2010

Christianity is a huge movement of 1.5 billion people and 40,000 denominations. A small minority of which are young earth creationists. The Catholic position is that the book of Genesis is not a science book, it is a book about the origins of our relationship to God, and his relationship to creation. The Catholic Church accepts scientific estimates that the earth is about 4 billion years old. See our article on Creationism. It is ironic that those who ridicule Christians for being science deniers seem to have difficulty with the following simple question, answered in every grade 7 biology book.

What is inside a woman when she is 11 weeks pregnant?

  1. a blob of tissue
  2. a distinct human being with independant DNA and a hearbeat.

Here's the answer:

fetus at 11 weeks

Interestingly, Joe Rogan softens up when discussing abortion, and although he claims to be "pro choice" he appears deeply divided on the question. We pray he sees the light and gets off the fence. And yes, pro life people donate tons of time and money into trying to help pregnant women keep and raise their babies. It's a myth that they are angry, selfish and judgemental. They are often kind, considerate and self sacrificing, ready to roll up their sleeves and help.

Conclusion

We pray Joe Rogan heals from his parent's divorce, forgives his first grade teacher(s) and stops misleading young people into forming a cult of personality around him rather than our resurrected Lord, who is actually worthy of our praise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jEj6bFwPI

 

Lord Jesus, let Your prayer of unity for Christians
become a reality, in Your way.
We have absolute confidence
that you can bring your people together,
we give you absolute permission to move.
Amen